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PostSubject: Re: Crosses...What do you get. Please help!   Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:38 am

Keep those fry counts coming people. Still need more data to draw any conclusions.

Guesses are nice, if i could have exact counts that would be awesome!

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PostSubject: Re: Crosses...What do you get. Please help!   Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:27 pm

ha ha yea right doug, wish i had the patience to go sifting through 50+ fry counting how many of each sf and lf iv got but sorry not gonna happen lol
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PostSubject: Re: Crosses...What do you get. Please help!   Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:56 pm

where is the dedication Karl!!!!

I spent all day sat sorting through three of my spawns, catching a few fry at a time, checking them over then shifting them into the grow out tank.

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PostSubject: Re: Crosses...What do you get. Please help!   Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:46 am

ill see what i can do when i palm em off the the lfs
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PostSubject: Re: Crosses...What do you get. Please help!   Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:30 pm

My common female and calico male finally hatched some babies last month. I have around 70-80 babies, from this I had one white coloured one and the rest are about 85% dark grey and the remainder lighter grey. A few have a slight brown tint to them, but no calico as such. They do however all have quite nice markings!



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PostSubject: Re: Crosses...What do you get. Please help!   Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:01 pm

Cheers mate!

The white one, is that an albino?

Nice shot too Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Crosses...What do you get. Please help!   Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:08 am

I have a pair (Male albino and common female) that throw out about a 50 50 split.
But I have noticed that the common babies grow a lot quicker than albino.
Is that normal? anyone else get this?
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PostSubject: Re: Crosses...What do you get. Please help!   Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:47 am

stannyblade, I have a common pair that produce maybe 3 or 4 albinos every time and I have also noticed they grow slower than the commons! The pair also produce quite a few longfins as the father is a longfin but I haven't had any albino longfins from them!
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PostSubject: Three types of albino !!!????   Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:50 am

My spawn of golden albino with no spotting pattern and golden albino with spotting pattern just came out of the cave. All are brown. There is no question of the parentage as these two are the only adult fish in the tank.
The spawn of this golden albino female no spotting pattern with a male golden albino with no spotting pattern produced all golden albinos with no spotting pattern. ( 4 spawns) The mortality rate was high with these; I bought them at the same time and they are likely siblings, but I don't know for sure.
The spawn of the golden albino male with spotting pattern with a golden albino female with spotting pattern were all albino with spotting pattern. (1 spawn)
These are the only two types of albino that I have. I'm not sure how much lighter the "white" albino is as I don't have any nor do I know anybody in the area who does so I can see one in person. I am assuming that both of mine are some sort of golden as they are almost as yellow orange as my L-144.
My golden no spotting pattern are also not a double recessive of L-144 and albino as I had an accidental spawn of a L-144 female and a golden no spotting albino male and all were browns.


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PostSubject: Re: Crosses...What do you get. Please help!   Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:34 am

I have a spawn which is I believe a cross between a young super red and a common brown.
There are both 'pale' and brown aplenty but I haven't been able to count them yet but I have noticed when I tried to take a picture of them feeding on courgette every time I approached very slowly with the camera all the dark babies fled immediately while the pale ones remained. Could this indicate they are blind or not so wary as the dark ones?
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PostSubject: ABN Longfin   Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:46 am

I have a pair of ABN longfins that have bred and it looks like the fry are 50% longfin and 50% regular.
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PostSubject: Re: Crosses...What do you get. Please help!   Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:57 am

cheers, do you have specific numbers?

I need to run stats on this data so exact numbers are much better Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Crosses...What do you get. Please help!   Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:05 pm

Hi Doug,
If you are running stats, this is what I have gotten so far:

Brown X Brown-- 100% brown. This is my primary breeding pair and either one or both is likely pure for brown. Out of hundreds and hundreds of fry they have never produced anything but brown.

Albino type 2 (gold no spots) X L-144 color morph. 100% brown. This was just one spawn, but at least 100 fry. Some of them were very flashy juvis showing a lot of yellow color in the spots, but matured into ordinary brown adults.

Albino type 2 X Albino type 2. 100% albino type 2

Albino type ? (type 1 or the hypothetical 3) gold color but with spots X Albino type ? (1 or 3) 100% albino type ? (1 or 3)

Albino type 2 X brown 100% brown. The female was a daughter of my primary brown pair and likely does not carry albino

Albino type 2 X albino type ? (1or3) 100% brown

Albino type ? (1 or 3) X albino type 2 100% brown

I have not yet gotten any mixed type spawns so I'm hoping that means my original breeders of each color are not too mixed in their genetics. That might prove useful down the line.
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PostSubject: Re: Crosses...What do you get. Please help!   Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:24 pm

cheers for that Amber!

helps with the general ideas. Smile

as always numbers are much better, if you have 100% spawns then estimates of the fry counts would be great Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Crosses...What do you get. Please help!   Sat Apr 02, 2011 5:33 pm

Here are some ball park figures for you Doug.

The main pair of browns have produced a minimum of 500 fry. the albino2 and L144 about a hundred. the albino 2 pair about 150, the albino ? pair, 30, they had more, but that is the spawn the mollie had for lunch. albino2 x brown about 100, same for the albino2 x albino? finally the albino? x albino 2 about 200

I let the males care for the eggs and fry, if they don't do a good job, nature takes it's course. This brings me to yesterday's hatch. This is L-144 X brown, the brown female being the offspring of an Albino2 and L-144 color morph. The tank has plenty of suitable caves, but where did this pair choose to spawn.... in a teeny crack in the wood. Aughhhhh!!!!! Personally I didn't think any would hatch as he was not positioned to fan them well. I have seen 2 fry, don't know if there will be any others, one is brown and the other L-144 color morph. This is that L-144 males first spawn, hopefully he will do better next time
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PostSubject: Re: Crosses...What do you get. Please help!   Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:03 am

oooooor, I'll be really keen to hear the outcome of that cross Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Crosses...What do you get. Please help!   Mon May 02, 2011 7:12 am

ok i have finally got around to counting the fry from my albino male and common female there are 46 albino 6 common and 4 that look calico but cant be to certain

well i hope this helps in some way doug
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PostSubject: Re: Crosses...What do you get. Please help!   Mon May 02, 2011 12:04 pm

awesome, cheers mate

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PostSubject: Re: Crosses...What do you get. Please help!   Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:08 pm

Just a note for Doug. There was a male common bristlenose i purchased off you not long ago for my cousin. That male has recently spawned with a common female my cousin had purchased as a 3cm juvie a number of months ago. Any ways with the 2 common parents the spawn is actually a mix of half common and half albino. Not sure on exact numbers but my cousin tells me the spawn is around 50+ish. Ill also have to jolt down the result of my recent albino longfin spawn, they are all albino but im not sure about the fin lengths yet. I will post the results when theyve grown a bit more Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Crosses...What do you get. Please help!   Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:42 pm

interesting Smile

Cheers Karl!

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PostSubject: Re: Crosses...What do you get. Please help!   Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:24 am

19 fry from my albino longfins. 6 longfins, 10 shortfins and 3 that look to be in-between but more on the shortfins side. All albino Smile here's the parents. Mum is from Dougs stock and Dad was ordered from Bayfish through LFS

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PostSubject: Re: Crosses...What do you get. Please help!   Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:41 pm

Hi,I am new to this site and found it by doing a search on crossing bristlenoses.At the moment I have a young pair of super reds and a young adult female calico and another small calico (too young to sex as yet,but i am really hoping for a male so that i have a pair)At the moment these four are all in the same tank.I am getting another tank in the next couple of weeks so that I can keep the two colours seperate.Yesterday I noticed the adult female calico was in with the male super red and they have spawned.He is now happily fanning a large clump of eggs in his cave that I drilled into a piece of wood (done before any fish were added to the tank)I really didn't want this to happen and thought i would have my second tank before any of these were ready to breed.I was a little dissapointed at first in myself for not getting a second tank quick enough but now am getting quite excited to see the outcome.This is the first time either of these fish have had babies but he seems to be doing an excellent job of guarding and fanning them.There are no other fish in the tank only my four bristlenoses so the babies should be quite safe.i hope they hatch and do well.I will keep you informed of the progress of these babies.
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PostSubject: Re: Crosses...What do you get. Please help!   Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:19 pm

A very interesting thread - i shall be keeping an eye on it!!
At the moment i have a brown female and 2 albino males - im currently waiting for the first spawn.
I have set up an ideal home for them in a 50 gallon tank littered with flowerpots, bogwood and plants. They have a very varied diet including courgette and algae pellets.
Now its just a waiting game.
Im also planning on getting some blues and super reds in september and im hoping to do a bit of cross breeding Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Crosses...What do you get. Please help!   Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:22 pm

Hey Doug, so far my alb fry are roughly 50/50 lf and sf. All are showing the coloring of the father (dark yellow with spots)

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PostSubject: crosses   Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:35 pm

my mate acidently spawned a male super red with a female albino and got 100% brown fry Very Happy
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