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PostSubject: brill topic...   Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:17 am

i find this topic riveting as I am new to the breeding of pleco, but I am currently attempting to cross breed a albino sailfin with a clown pleco to see what happens...

since the clown pleco is also very nocturnal this should be interesting if this finally does work out... and since the clown is relatively small even when fully grown and my female albino sailfin is nearly out growing him week for week my breeding window does not happen to be very long...

I have had some luck, but only a little... I have them both sharing the same small shell right now, so hopefully it will only be a matter of time before something happens.... if not you never know she might just mate with the male L144 I have in the tank with them lol....

will keep you informed as things progress Smile
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PostSubject: Re: brill topic...   Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:40 am

Sorry to disapoint but there will be no love here Sad

They are both different species, infact different families. The sailfin is from Pterygoplichthys while the clown is from Panaque. Many have tried to breed closer related plecos and failed. No amount of Barry White will get them going.

The biggest amount of effort has gone into crossing peppermints with common longfin bristlenose to raise longfin peppermints however, it nas never been done as they are too genetically different. real shame as some of the pleco corsses would be simply amazing!

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PostSubject: Re: brill topic...   Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:23 am

not to mention the sailfin is still only a juvie and not sexually mature. by the time it matures it will b so big your poor clown pleco would b too scared to get in the cave with it lol. they are probably sharing the cave now just for sake of using it as a hiding spot. plecos are known to cave up with other species but they generally know there own kind. for example i know when my albino longfin bns are going to breed coz the female caves up with my male L104 clown pleco. think she realises he has a better cave lol. then hey presto next day or so my male albino longfin bn is on eggs.
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PostSubject: okey dokey   Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:12 pm

thanks guys.....

tbh thought it would have been a near miracle....lol
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PostSubject: Re: brill topic...   Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:32 am

Lol.. The image of a Male Great Dane mating with a Chihuahua comes to mind Wink
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PostSubject: haha grt dane   Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:56 pm

that is not unheard of about newcastle way...

though I did have a friend who had a mongrel which was half doberman and half sausage dog.....

and my head is still trying to work that one out....lol
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PostSubject: Re: brill topic...   Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:37 pm

Dogs are very resourceful. Pups whose parents differ greatly in size are not as uncommon as most people think. It has been studied. The dam usually determines the size of the pups,and even if the sire was very big, the pups generally are not much bigger at birth than what would be normal for whatever small breed the dam was. After birth there is a massive and rapid growth to catch up to the inherited size potential. That kind of growth puts the pups at greater risk of developing orthopedic problems like hip dysplasia etc. Now generally does not mean always, so there is a higher risk of birth complications; between that and the greater risk of orthopedic problems in the pups it isn't something you would do deliberately.

Same thing with horses, I remember seeing a photo in some veterinary journal of a Shetland pony mare with her foal sired by a Shire stallion! A friend of mine had a Shetland mare who had a foal by a full sized appaloosa, she foaled very easily, I can verify that one for sure as I was there.

I imagine your gibby with your clown or BN would be more like a cow and a pigmy goat. I doubt there could be any natural offspring from that.
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PostSubject: Re: brill topic...   Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:46 am

Wow!! Discovery Channel eat your heart out!! lol. Smile
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