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PostSubject: baby disease   Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:58 am

Hi
I have a pair they breeding very well the no of baby also well but they reach a time there stomach umfulated and they past away I try to change the food evry time but no use (I feed them spirulina tablet, cucumber, and shrimp flaks so please if any one has idea what they have and how I can save them as I loose a lot , thank you very much
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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:53 am

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I have a pair they breeding very well the no of baby also well but they reach a time there stomach umfulated and they past away I try to change the food evry time but no use (I feed them spirulina tablet, cucumber, and shrimp flaks so please if any one has idea what they have and how I can save them as I loose a lot , thank you very much

can you please post a few pics of the breeding pair,
hopefully this isnt genetic.......

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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:08 am

walid wrote:
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I have a pair they breeding very well the no of baby also well but they reach a time there stomach umfulated and they past away I try to change the food evry time but no use (I feed them spirulina tablet, cucumber, and shrimp flaks so please if any one has idea what they have and how I can save them as I loose a lot , thank you very much


Can you post a bit more info?

Water Perameters
Size Tank
Subtrate if any?
how often you do water changes and how much?


hopefully we can get to the bottom of this sooner rather then later
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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:33 am

you gunna have to feed them on algae waffers shrimp pellets a bit to much protien for them

have you got them in a fry tank with fry and bn have loads you gunna have to be doing daily water changes to cope with the extra feeding


forgot to mention the swollen guts is due to incorrect diet as i said feed them on algae waffers and every now and then de shelled peas kinda works as a laxitive



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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:43 pm

I have to agree with dane, sounds like you are giving them to much protein, algae wafes and veg sticks also frsesh courgette, also once a week frozen bloodworm, tubiflex, i do use brine shrimp but only in small amounts as this can cause bloat in babies but they love the stuff,

do you have bog wood in the tank ? as this helps the plecs digest there food
also do you have any substrate? as this could be the cause of the deaths, as babies tend to stay fixed to the bottom and the slightest bit of rotten food would be enough to kill them,
what are your water parameters? with babys it is important you do daily changes of say 10%

if you could post your parameters i'm sure we can help even more
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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Sun Feb 08, 2009 1:26 pm

"L Number mad wrote:
I have to agree with dane, sounds like you are giving them to much protein, algae wafes and veg sticks also frsesh courgette, also once a week frozen bloodworm, tubiflex, i do use brine shrimp but only in small amounts as this can cause bloat in babies but they love the stuff,

do you have bog wood in the tank ? as this helps the plecs digest there food
also do you have any substrate? as this could be the cause of the deaths, as babies tend to stay fixed to the bottom and the slightest bit of rotten food would be enough to kill them,
what are your water parameters? with babys it is important you do daily changes of say 10%

if you could post your parameters i'm sure we can help even more


i wouldnt feed fry Frozen blood worm they can choke on it and die i have known people lose baby zebs due to this
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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:28 pm

I didn't know this about bloodworm as i have always used it with no problems but will be more careful from now on cheers john cheers

i have always been weiry of using to much brine shrimp as it can cause bloat,
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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:50 pm

its not the frozen bloodworm thats the problem its the pellet form



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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Sun Feb 08, 2009 7:34 pm

Dane wrote:
its not the frozen bloodworm thats the problem its the pellet form



Dane

Frozen is also a problem as well mate

http://www.zebrapleco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4693
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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:04 pm

S**t i have started something now lol!
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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:43 pm

At what age are the babies when they start dying??

Am sure i read a post with a similar problem a few years back

Could be any number of things

Incorrect diet
Genetic deformity - Are the parents related/unrelated??
Water Quality

Hmmm
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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:20 pm

"L Number mad wrote:
S**t i have started something now lol!
lol!

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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:42 pm

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S**t i have started something now lol!


lol! no you havent mate i was just saying that there is a problem with frozen bloodworm as well its best we let people know so they dont have any problems with there fry

hope no one has taken this the wrong way Embarassed
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PostSubject: Hi all and thank you for trying to help   Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:28 am

hi all and thank you for trying to help
the parant not relative as I have 2x f with 1x male and each of them from a different place
I do change the water about 50 % weekly
the tank has small stone but when I change the water I do clean the gravel
I keep them in breeding tank with there parent
they start to show this sine about 1 month old
I dont have water parameter as I have no test

I feed them brinshrimp flakes not bellet nor tablet

I hope I mention every think
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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:30 am

High walid, how long r u leaving the little guys with the parent male? Not that is really a problem for me ,
but I have heard that leaving the fry with a parent( for about 2weeks ) can help with digestive issues
therefore making the babies stronger and less prone to Sleep
Cheers J
Also my babies scoff down frozen blood worm .
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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:09 am

walid wrote:
hi all and thank you for trying to help
the parant not relative as I have 2x f with 1x male and each of them from a different place
I do change the water about 50 % weekly
the tank has small stone but when I change the water I do clean the gravel
I keep them in breeding tank with there parent
they start to show this sine about 1 month old
I dont have water parameter as I have no test

I feed them brinshrimp flakes not bellet nor tablet

I hope I mention every think
Thank you for helping

i wouldnt do 50% water changes once a week with fry in there they are very delicate to change in water conditions..... try doing 10-15% daily or every other day water changes.....

also try feeding them on Courgette (Zucchi) or any other vegetables de-shelled peas is good and lettuce
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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:39 am

hi mate you say you do 50% water change when your adding fresh treated water do you have it up to temperature or is it cold, as if it is to cold you could be putting the babies into shock possibly causing there deaths, try and do smaller water changes say 10 - 15% daily or every other day

and i think we will all agree to disagree on the bloodworm but take caution when feeding lol!
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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:21 am

"L Number mad wrote:

and i think we will all agree to disagree on the bloodworm but take caution when feeding lol!



lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:19 am

Hi
actually till they past away this mean about month and I lost 3x hatch @ about 40 to 50 babies I have now new hach they have about 4 day after they went out from father guard and I'll move them to anther tank , will see , thank you
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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:09 am

walid wrote:
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actually till they past away this mean about month and I lost 3x hatch @ about 40 to 50 babies I have now new hach they have about 4 day after they went out from father guard and I'll move them to anther tank , will see , thank you


Make sure the water is the same as the from the Tank they came out of if you can so it will cause less stress to them

let us know who it goes
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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:29 am

good luck and keep us posted cheers
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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:39 am

i have breed 100s of bn and never ever has one choked on a bloodworm,thats a zeb fry problem cheers
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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:21 am

Tadj wrote:
i have breed 100s of bn and never ever has one choked on a bloodworm,thats a zeb fry problem cheers


i thought it would be a problem with all fry
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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:25 am

816johnv wrote:
"L Number mad wrote:

and i think we will all agree to disagree on the bloodworm but take caution when feeding lol!



lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: baby disease   Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:17 pm

Good luck with them keep us updated..

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