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PostSubject: mopani wood   Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:09 am

hi all,
just wanted to get some info on mopani wood. Thinking of getting a few pieces to add to my breeding tank to help lower ph and soften water? Anyone use this and what is the best way to add to tank - add straight to tank without soaking first to get most out of it or should it be soaked first? just thought this might help breeding peppermints Smile
let me know what you all think!
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PostSubject: Re: mopani wood   Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:39 pm

always soak wood before it goes into the tank. to clean it if nothing else. I always boil my wood before it goes into a tank, or if it is too big to boil, soak it in a tub with as hot as possible water and a heavy salt solution.

Just to be on thje safe side. the mopani wood is great, i managed to score some off a mate and it looks amazing

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PostSubject: Re: mopani wood   Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:35 am

Try to get your hands on old "clean" esky( most wood will fit in these), boil( or bloody hot water as not warp your esky)
and soak for a few days and repeat this process for 2 weeks as to not remove the good stuff your actually wanting.
The boiling is the way to clean your wood of nasties- salt will leave some sort of residue ( or then you need to rinse the hell out of the wood- removing more good stuff)
A wire wheel is great for removing excess or loose wood( dirt and sawdust) but mopani is usually pretty neat.

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PostSubject: Re: mopani wood   Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:19 pm

ok great thanks for the replies guys Smile i will definitely give it a good clean before adding to my tank. i know mopani wood will soften water but does it actually lower ph too? i'm having trouble keeping my ph down with adelaide's water. i use seachem neutral regulator to try to bring it down to neutral a bit but seems to always bounce back up to 7.6 (over a fortnight or so). i was told from my LFS to use seachems discus buffer with neutral regulator to get the ph i wanted. of course i will try it very slowly, but if this mopani wood might lower it a little naturally i might just use that.
what do you guys think?
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PostSubject: Re: mopani wood   Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:08 am

peppermint23 wrote:
i was told from my LFS to use seachems discus buffer with neutral regulator to get the ph i wanted. of course i will try it very slowly
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NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooo! Dont do it!!! lean from my mistakes and dont do it! you will drop your pH no worries but you will have phosphate concentrations that break even the proper scientific equipment!! The device here at uni stops after 80ppm and just reads error, and all my tanks were 'error'. my water went cloudy, my fish got sick, i got stressed, they stopped breeding, i got double stressed and in the end they started to die, and i cried.

Moral of the story, dont use phosphate based buffers! I havent had much luck in finding a replacement so I went with an RO filter. I know there are products out there that are HCL based so they might be an option.

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PostSubject: Re: mopani wood   Tue Mar 01, 2011 2:00 am

oh wow thanks for the heads up doug! any suggestions where to get a relatively cheap ro filter for a 3 foot tank? i've never seen them in fish stores before.
just out of interest could you just use a product to lower or remove phosphate? but that would probably defeat the purpose of using a buffer in the first place hey.
hmm i don't have a phosphate test kit, but now i should probably get one.
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PostSubject: Re: mopani wood   Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:31 am

yeah, using the phospahte remover destroys the point of adding it in in the first place.

An RO filter doesnt go on a tank, it filters the water you use for water changes.

check ebay, although be cautious of the really cheep ones.

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PostSubject: Re: mopani wood   Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:32 pm

oh i see...hmm might have to look if i can get a hold of any HCl buffers then. any idea what API pH down and proper pH are made of? i've tried to look on the net but can't seem to find if it is phosphate or not. the only other option is to not mess with ph at all and see if they'll breed in adelaide's 7.6 ph water? have you had much possitive feedback with bn breeding in 7.6 ph? i'm going to get my water tested today for phosphate levels and make sure it's not too high.
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PostSubject: Re: mopani wood   Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:57 pm

i found this:

"Seachem Acid Buffer™ is a non-phosphate buffer to lower pH and buffer with Alkaline Buffer™. Both buffers are designed for the planted aquarium or for very hard water where phosphate buffers may pose an algae or cloudiness problem. Acid Buffer™ lowers pH and buffers between 5.0 and 8.0 when used with Alkaline Buffer™. As Acid Buffer™ lowers pH it converts carbonate alkalinity (KH) into available CO2."

from the seachem website. what do you think?
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PostSubject: Re: mopani wood   Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:38 am

looks the goods to me. I have never used it but it sounds like just the ticket.

give it a shot.

in terms of breeding in adelaide tap water, in my experence it is possible for commons (never had any luck with peps or OS) but the fry mortailty is high and the spawn rate is lower. That said, when i was using phospahte buffers they slowed down even more. dont think they liked the fluctuating water conditions. My advice would be to make up the water for the changes the night before and bubble it like mad so that its chemisty is stable when you go to add it into the tank. I think that was one of my biggest problems.

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PostSubject: Re: mopani wood   Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:43 am

ok thanks heaps for the help! when you say bubble it over night i'm guessing you mean with airstones? what if my tank already has lots of airstones constantly on? or would it still fluctuate a bit before reaching a stable level?
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PostSubject: Re: mopani wood   Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:47 am

the water will adjust in the tank, but that will mean a variation in the water paramters. this is what you are trying to avoid. by bubbling the water over night you will make the water settle down and force the CO2 out of the water. that means when you test the water parameters they will be right.

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PostSubject: Re: mopani wood   Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:41 am

ok thanks doug Smile
tested my phosphate level today and bam! sure enough it was way off the chart. the API test kit goes to 10 and my colour was at least double as dark (almost black). so i have added some poly-filter in my filter to remove phosphate and i also got some API pH down which is phosphate free (it's sulfuric acid). over the next two weeks or more i will slowly bring the pH down about 0.2 every 4 days or so. sound ok? or can i change it faster than that?
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PostSubject: Re: mopani wood   Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:25 am

you can change it faster than that but i wouldnt. I have done emergency pH swings at 0.2 per day and they fish seemed ok, bit stressed. Doing it your way would be much better Smile

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PostSubject: Re: mopani wood   Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:26 am

Very Happy that's good to know!
thanks for all your help this has been another learning curve for me Smile
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PostSubject: Re: mopani wood   Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:08 pm

Good Job Great work guys on the advice given.... Good Job

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