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PostSubject: abn got rid of ich now bloat?   Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:53 am

my abn got past ich and looks clear of any white spots but now he has bloat I think. I couldn't get a decent picture since my camera is broken but it looks like the pictures of abn with bloat I see on here. I can't tell if he's been eating or not .
after the 10 gallon tank I isolated him in seemed to smell bad not because of the ich attack medicine but because of the fish that had died from ich in there so I moved the two remaining sick plecos to seperate 10 gallon tanks. the abn is in one that has only yellow sakura shrimp in there. There was a rubbernose but I moved him to a new 125 gallon .

I fed my abn sliced up peas with garlic guard tonite I also performed about a %25 water change and added seachem stability. Anything else I should be doing?
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PostSubject: Re: abn got rid of ich now bloat?   Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:31 pm

So long as the bloat is caused by constipation and you;ve caught it early enough then the Albino should be OK. Keeping the water in good condition with small daily water changes will also help.

If it's not eating ot there is no improvement then the problem could be an internal bacteria one, possibly caused by your recent problems.

For now just monitor the situstion to see if there is any improvment, if there are no signs of the bloat clearing then try an anti internal bacteria medicine. Bloat caused by internal bacteria infections are hard to treat so the medicine may not work.
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PostSubject: Re: abn got rid of ich now bloat?   Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:04 pm

thanks ,

I added a small amount of epsom salt at 5ml for a 38 liter tank , will that help at all? or only if it is bloat.

my fish is swimming fine so far doesn't seem to have any bouyancy issues, I added more wood and seems to be attached to it, I hope (s)he is rasping some of it for digestion if that is what the problem is. I don't see the peas being touched.

can you recommend any internal bacteria meds. I only have ick clear II and ich attack and Ive never used the ich attack.

also will they be dangerous with the water hardness increase. the ph is 8.2 my tap water is 7.5 should I be using r/o water with water changes instead?

thanks again for all your help.

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PostSubject: Re: abn got rid of ich now bloat?   Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:07 pm

I meant to say I didnt use the ick clear II only ich attackfrom when this fish had ich.
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PostSubject: Re: abn got rid of ich now bloat?   Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:18 pm

Some people do use Epsom salts but peas are usually more effective.

How did you prepare the peas that you used, just putting frozen peas in boiling water for a couple of minutes and then removing the shell works best.

As for medicines I do not know what is readily available in the U.S, so a visit to a good LFS may find the best product.
Your pH at the moment is to high for BN's, it's thought that 7.5 is the highest you should keep them in. About the water changes I do not use R.O water so can't really give the best advice.

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PostSubject: Re: abn got rid of ich now bloat?   Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:16 pm

I diced up the peas in a new coffee grinder I bought last nite and soaked them in garlic and dropped them in there, I was thinking of putting them in gelatin or agar agar supposed to be like gelatin but from plants I think.

I'll propably try to lower the ph with %20-%30 water changes daily on this tank. to get in down to more reasonable levels. My area is having some construction on the water pipes I wonder if it is affecting my fish as in contaminants being leaked in. I'm going to go back to using r/o water as much as possible with changes . It seemed to be a better alternative to our hard water here.
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PostSubject: Re: abn got rid of ich now bloat?   Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:57 pm

IF you are not seeig him eat and there is no evidence of him eating (food still in the tank) then you will have to go medicinal. I will mention here that bringing a fish back from here is hard and while people have done it, it is rare Sad

There are some meds that are good for treating internal bacterial infections. some include eSHa 2000, Protozin and Myxazin which have all been recommended to me from other members as well as fish shops. there is a great write up on bloat HERE.

Deano did a great job on this write up Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: abn got rid of ich now bloat?   Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:50 am

thanks I did read that sticky post from Deano earlier I got a lot of info from that thanks for putting that up. I will try the medicinal route then tomorrow, because as far as I know he hasn't eaten in the last 3-4 days if not longer.
I really hope it will work he seems to be hanging on to the wood like normal not really clasping his fins, but it does look bad his bloating looks pretty serious.


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PostSubject: Re: abn got rid of ich now bloat?   Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:13 pm





well I was able to get some pics of my longfin bn last nite.
he actually let me pet him last night

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he swims like normal he did move away from my hand and stay attached to the wood as I tried to hand feed him some peas.
I haven tried zucchini yet but dont know if I should try that in addition to peas

but no evidence of food being eaten so I am going to go the med route today hopefully
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PostSubject: Re: abn got rid of ich now bloat?   Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:41 pm

If it's bloat caused by constipation then the Zucchini will only add to the problem. So long as he was in good condition before the trouble started he should be able to go at least week without food. Hopefully improving water conditions and the medicine will see an improvement and it will start eating the peas. Just try some peas that have been partly cooked and deshelled, but without adding the garlic

As a last resort if things do not apper to be working you could try the Epsom salts again but as a bath rather than adding it to the tank, normally you add it at the rate of one tablespoon per gallon and keep the fish in it for 15-20 mins or until he becomes distressed or faeces are released. This is stressfull for the fish so it should be the the last resort.

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PostSubject: Re: abn got rid of ich now bloat?   Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:50 pm

yep that def bloat, not only the stomach but the fins clasps close to his sides. Sad

and it looks like it is a derious case too. Def need the meds. by now the bacteria in his gut will be looking for additional food soruces and unfortunatly they will start to eat him from the inside. Man, bloat is a horrible thing for a fish. You need to get the antibacterial meds into him before they can do too much damage.

I hate bloat, I have lost fish to it as i am sure most of the people on here have. good luck with the meds and keep us posted Smile

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PostSubject: Re: abn got rid of ich now bloat?   Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:47 pm

I have seen less swelling everyday now consistently and have notice feaces being excreted, My fish seems to be adjusting well and seems to be getting used to this tank. I still havent added any food and I only anti bacteria food once two nights ago and I dont think any of it was eaten so I only added the epsom salt 5ml per 40l directly to the tank after dissolving it in water. I disontinued this and have been doing 1 -2 %20-40 water changes daily.

If I continue to see improvement I would like to put my longing abn in the new 125 gallon but not sure how long to wait.



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PostSubject: Re: abn got rid of ich now bloat?   Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:17 am

looks like you are on a winner Smile

Keep up the good work. I would keep it in isolation until it is eating again and fully recovered. Last thing you want is to put it into the main tank to have it get worse and infect the other fish.

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PostSubject: Re: abn got rid of ich now bloat?   Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:15 am

There are obvious signs of improvement Good Job

I would try him with some softer food, Cucumber or Zucchini, at first.
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PostSubject: Re: abn got rid of ich now bloat?   Sat Mar 19, 2011 7:44 pm

thanks for all the help!! I am very happy for my pleco Very Happy
I will be putting in some zucchini , I wish they carried organic zucchini but the store closest to me only has organic broccoli frozen, organic peas frozen and carrots fresh organic. I try to stick to the organic veggies for my plecos just in case.

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PostSubject: Re: abn got rid of ich now bloat?   Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:27 am

Great going RAY , nice to see the sucess story , lol! , Thnx for the information Team. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: abn got rid of ich now bloat?   Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:32 am

agree ! great job ! I was following this post and whew,, great news he is doing so well.

Just some info on peas, as others said, I buy frozen ,then microwave them for 1 min in water, , then remove skin by pinching the pea, the inside shoots out into halves. My blue phantoms refuse to eat them but all the other fish incl harlequin raspboras , rainbows and farlowella all love peas, I smush them as I drop them in the tank. My BN loves them. HTH

You did a great job getting your plec through this , he is lucky to have you Very Happy

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