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PostSubject: L201 & L134   Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:20 am

Hello to all,


I wonder whether is there a possibility that L201 and L134 are kept in the same aquarium.
I want to avoid cross-breeds, but do not know if the above mentioned darlings could or couldn't.

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PostSubject: Re: L201 & L134   Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:28 am

I'm pretty sure they can't cross breed so mite be alright. Be warey tho as iv heard males from either can be very territorial

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PostSubject: L201 & L134   Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:07 am

Hi Kfenk,


How big aquarium would you recommend?

I have ordered 1M/2F L134 and 1M/1F L201.
There are two choices: 100 or 400 litre.

Or, if I wish to keep them separately, would two 83 litre tanks do?

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PostSubject: Re: L201 & L134   Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:01 pm

id go with the 2 tanks rather than the one tank for breeding only. but if you went with the 400L tank you could have lots more fish with them like tetras or livebearers Smile

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PostSubject: Re: L201 & L134   Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:27 pm

As far as I know Hypancistrus and Peckoltia can not cross breed.

I agree with kfenk if it is a breeding project then seperate tanks would be better, if you got them for their stunning looks, with the off chance they will breed, then I would go with the 400 litre. Plenty of hiding places should stop any serious aggression.
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PostSubject: L201 & L134   Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:25 pm

Dear Kfenk and Jim,


Thanks a lot for your reply.
I will follow your advice, and will put them into separate tanks.

Actually, I want to try my hands on breeding them.

Best regards,
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PostSubject: Re: L201 & L134   Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:38 pm

mmccannon wrote:
Dear Kfenk and Jim,


Actually, I want to try my hands on breeding them.


I hope you have good luck with the breeding Good Job
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PostSubject: Re: L201 & L134   Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:07 am

i used to keep L201 and L333 in the same tank.

but yeah, for breeding i would seperate them

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PostSubject: "housing" L201 and L134   Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:09 am

Hello Doug,


Thank you for your response.
I will place them in separate tanks.

By the way, have read your ebook, but could not find one disease. In Hungary that is referred to as "Green Belly".
Occures around 2-4 months of age, and mortality rate is almost 100 %.

I was trying to find more information - literature, scientific article - about this disease, but in vain.
I wonder whether you have any experience with the above mentioned illness.

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PostSubject: Re: L201 & L134   Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:08 am

what are the symptoms?

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PostSubject: Green belly   Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:21 am


Symptom is literally green belly - as if discoloured - and within 48 hours the fish is dead. No other visible symptom and no significant change in behaviour. One can only detect, once the fish is on the side-glass of the tank.

It occured in case of A. temminckii, L-144, LDA-05, L-65. Other mates reported the same from Czech and Germany.
Unfortunately, I did not make a photo of the fish at that time.
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PostSubject: Re: L201 & L134   Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:39 am

hrmm, never come acorss that one before. I would be interested to know more about it.

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PostSubject: Symptoms   Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:25 pm

Hi Doug,


Forgot to mention, that when deceased bn's belly is opened, thick green juice pours out. As if all intestinals rotted away.
Stench is not like rotting flesh.

A year ago I have made a survey, and found that many aquarist prepare their own frozen BN-mix. Springtime they often add tender stinging-nettle and/or spurge leaf.
Is it possible that any of those are related to the illness?

Have you heard of such thing in other parts of the world?

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PostSubject: Re: L201 & L134   Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:18 pm

hrmmm, that is odd. I have never heard of something like this before. I have done several post mortums on bristlenose but never had a result like that. To be honest i would be avoiding nettle like the plague. It is known to be toxic to lots of animals and very hard to process.


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PostSubject: Re: L201 & L134   Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:55 pm

Spurge leaves do not sound like a good idea either.

From Wikipedia

The common name "spurge" derives from the Middle English/Old French espurge ("to purge"), due to the use of the plant's sap as a purgative.

From THE POISON GARDEN website
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Is said to kill fish without making the flesh inedible to humans. Throw any spurge into water and harvest the poisoned fish. It has been known to self seed in gardens and, in one case, it grew close to a pond resulting in the death of all the fish.



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PostSubject: Re: L201 & L134   Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:59 am


Spurge leaf = Taraxacum Officinale
Stinging-nettle = Urtica dioica

So these are things to be avoided?
What is the chemical/poison that causes the problem?
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PostSubject: Re: L201 & L134   Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:39 am

Not sure if would effect fish but personally I'd steer clear of any plants with stinging in the name. We have stinging nettles here in aus and they are such a pain :|

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PostSubject: Re: L201 & L134   Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:21 am

Thats the problem with common names, Taraxacum officinale is the common dandelion, but spurge is often a common name for members of the Euphorbia family.

The only problem I can see with Dandelion is that it is often used a as diuretic.

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PostSubject: plants for diet   Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:30 am

Dear Kfenk and Jim,


I also felt that common names are misleading, so have posted the scientific names.

Understand the disadvantage of Taraxacum officinale, but what about Urtica dioica? That is widely used herb, at least over here.
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PostSubject: Re: L201 & L134   Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:53 pm

I found an article about the use of Urtica dioica to prevent Aeromonas hydrophila infection in rainbow trout, so it must have some anti bacterial qualities HERE.

My only concern is when collecting plants from the wild you do not know if they have been exposed to any chemicals. Roadside plants usually contain high levels of harmful chemicals.
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PostSubject: Herbs   Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:44 am

Hello Jim,


I never collect herbs or even wood for my BNs from areas, which are subject to heavy traffic, or any chemical pollution.

I like rambling, so I rather visit one of many natural parks we have and collect what I need there.
No chemicals, no cars. In natural waters over there even Daphnia and Cyclops are more healthier and bigger.

Yes, Urtica dioica has antiseptic character, and many other good qualities.
I believe that the quantity should be watched very carefuly when given in veggie mix to our BNs. Don't you think so?

Best regards,
Mary


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PostSubject: Re: L201 & L134   Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:40 pm

got me stumped why it only happens in your country. maybe it could have something to do with local water or some other disease indigenous to your local fish. anyways wasnt this thread about you wanting to breed L201 and L134? Whats going on with that? Are you still aiming to breed them?

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PostSubject: Breeding   Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:22 pm

Not just in Hungary, but in Slovakia, Czech, Poland, Germany, as well. At least I know cases from those countries.

Sure I want to breed them!
There will be TerraPlaza (aquarist and terrarist gathering) on the 16th October.
I have ordered all fishes, so tanks are already up and running waiting for my darlings. Very Happy

I am so excited! Not just because of the fishes, but I will hold my very first lecture on "Live food cultures".
Maybe I will drop dead in front of soooo many people. rest in peace
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PostSubject: L134   Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:25 pm

I'm back, the fair is over and I have purchased my very own L134s! cheers


Unfortunately, there were no L201s, so the 92 litre tank is occupied by the L-134 juveniles (~ 3 cm big/small).
Lots of mangrove wood is in the tank, so I am still seeking every oportunity to get some company for my darlings.
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PostSubject: Re: L201 & L134   Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:41 pm

How many did you get and any pics yet Question

L134 or Leopard Frog Peckoltia are great looking fish and they seem to get better with age. Shame about the L201's but if I had a choice it would be the L134's.


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