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PostSubject: Breeding brown long fin bn   Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:06 pm

Hey guys I think i need some help. I have a 15 L aquarium and i have a pair of brown long fin bn. The male is from yesterday in the aquarium and now i received a female which is gestant which looks like she wants to make love :o . The problem is that the ph and gh are too high to breed them as I know. ph = 8 and gh = 20 - 25 degrees. Do someone have any idea. Is possible to grow the fryes??? Thank you all!!
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:06 pm

Hi,to be quite honest a 15 litre aquarium is way to small for a pair of bristlenoses never mind their fry aswell.What size is the tank?
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PostSubject: tank size    Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:56 pm

15 8 10 in inches....i just asked because it looks like they love each other. At my home I have a 90 L aquariu this one is only to keep the fishes which i'm taking from Constanta. My hometown is Mangalia(about 45 km distance). I study here in Constanta. I will try to get a bigger aquarium from a friend. But is any posibility to breed them and to not loose the fyes?? thank you
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:58 pm

With such a high pH it's unlikely they will breed but if they did the eggs will not be viable. I think that the higher the pH gets the thicker the eggs are and the fry can not hatch and this causes them to die inside the egg.

Really you need at the minimum a 60 L tank for breeding and to raise a the fry to about 3 cms at which time they would really need more space or moving on.

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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:28 pm

The problem is that i had several breedings and the fryes growth till 1 cm, after this they start to die. the stomach was stuck to the column. Any idea?
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:37 pm

What do you mean by "stuck to the column" Question and were these born in the 15L tank.

Do you mean they still had their egg sac or is it something else.
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:39 pm

Hi,can you please try to explain what you mean by the stomach was stuck to the column? Do you mean they looked starved?
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:44 pm

yes they looked like a female after breeding but worse. After a week since the yolk sac was absorbed they started to have this problems.
I breeded them many times in diferent aquariums. this is not for breeding but this is the posibility in this moment. I breeded them in 145 L , 90L, 50L...etc..
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:13 am

What do you normally feed the fry after they have absorbed their egg sac Question
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:15 am

before they finish there yolk sac try introduce a little food just so they get used to it...little bit of cucumber etc.....

also somthing to have a look for.... do you have a bacterial infection in the fishtank... do any of the other have long stingy poo.....

my guess would be that either it was food related or bacteria related......

make sure theres food out for em, keep an eye on fish poo and check the tank levels....

the small the tank the less it takes to dirty it up.....

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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:03 am

I know people who have had bn breed in high ph water. Usually they get put in African cichlid tanks as clean up crew. When they get big enough they breed wherever they can find a good spot. Now I think the tank is too small for fry unless you are going to grow them in a bigger tank. These fry deaths as stated above sound like either starvation or bacterial infection.

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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:11 pm

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yes they looked like a female after breeding but worse. After a week since the yolk sac was absorbed they started to have this problems.
I breeded them many times in diferent aquariums. this is not for breeding but this is the posibility in this moment. I breeded them in 145 L , 90L, 50L...etc..

Are you putting food in for the fry to feed on once they come out of the cave? If so,what food?


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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:03 pm

I use to feed the fryes with cucumber lettuce and zucchini peas and other vegitables. I fed them also with all this vegitables but boiled a few seconds. Thank you.
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:46 pm

Hmmm if they are getting plenty of food then I'd say it would be a bacterial infection.

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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:00 pm

Do you have any idea what kind of bacteria and how to treat the fishes?
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:37 pm

Are your tanks bare bottom or do they have some kind of substrate Question
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:08 am

I had tanks with substrate and without substrate. I will try to fed them with some garlic because i saw that is good against parasites or what you sugest? now i'm feeding my pair with cucumber and some flakes but flakes in a smal smal amount. But normaly i'm using vegetables now. Thank you!
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:36 am

Hi,were the fry that died in a bare bottom tank or a tank with sustrate?

They need more than cucumber and a tiny bit of flake food.Can you get algae wafers there?

Do you hoover the gravel and do regular water changes and do you clean the glass on the bare bottom tanks?
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:20 am

to be honest it sounds like they are suffering from ammonia poisioning Sad which would be what i would suspect given the low tank volume and high fish density

I would be looking to stop them breeding for the time being til you can sequre a larger tank. take the cave out.

also, 15ltrs is really too small for bristlenose regardless of breeding, they would be much happier in a 50-60ltr tank Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:44 am

To ID the bacteria the poop would have to be checked in a specialists' lab.
I do know what is the situation there, but in Hungary a small fortune would not be ebnough to pay for that. pale
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:27 pm

Ok... For mister Bristlenoses the answer is YES YES YES. Doug I purchased your book and is amazing. Thank you for the efort! This tank is for the moment because I'm gona move them in a 90 litres aquarium. Thank you for the answers guys and Mary cheers .
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:36 pm

lol! I am a mrs and was just trying to help.I hope you have more luck with future batches Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:25 am

As I said, thank you all for your help including you mrs ''Bristlenoses''!!!! I will move them in 50 L tank or 40 as soon as posible. Is a realy pleasure to talk with you folks!!
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:29 pm

Good luck i hope all goes well Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding brown long fin bn   Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:09 am

no worries with the book mate, always glad to hear that its helping someone out!

Sounds like you have your head screwed on pretty tightly, should not be long before you have ironed out the kinks!

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