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PostSubject: Calico/Marble L144?   Sun May 19, 2013 1:32 am




Hi all, I have a friend who has these L144 juvies with brown patches... Is it possible that they are Marble/calico L144???
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PostSubject: Re: Calico/Marble L144?   Sun May 19, 2013 1:51 am

Babies were bred straight from L144 adults...
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PostSubject: Re: Calico/Marble L144?   Sun May 19, 2013 11:58 am

Hi,no these are L144,they sometimes have brown or black patches on them.I have 3 out of a small spawn of 25 that have black patches on them.One of them has a large deep black patch that covers half of one side of it's body.I was going to keep it back and try to develope the black more.I am not sure if I will though.

It may be a good idea to seperate the parents and get them new mates if they keep producing these.Unless of course he might want to try and do something with it.Which would probably take a very long time though.



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PostSubject: Re: Calico/Marble L144?   Mon May 20, 2013 12:35 am

The owner was going to try & selectively breed the young to get the colour to spread, I think she has 2 pairs doing this.
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PostSubject: Re: Calico/Marble L144?   Mon May 20, 2013 6:24 pm

Good Luck to her I may have a go myself.



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PostSubject: Re: Calico/Marble L144?   Tue May 21, 2013 9:17 am

Bristlenoses wrote:
Hi,no these are L144,they sometimes have brown or black patches on them.I have 3 out of a small spawn of 25 that have black patches on them.One of them has a large deep black patch that covers half of one side of it's body.I was going to keep it back and try to develope the black more.I am not sure if I will though.

It may be a good idea to seperate the parents and get them new mates if they keep producing these.Unless of course he might want to try and do something with it.Which would probably take a very long time though.



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These are not L144. Bristlenoses, haven't you see this before?

http://www.planetcatfish.com/common/species.php?species_id=2487

If we claim to be interested in BN's, shouldn't we care about proper nomenclature and L#?
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PostSubject: Re: Calico/Marble L144?   Tue May 21, 2013 10:06 am

and sp(4) are also identical...

http://www.planetcatfish.com/common/image.php?species=ancistrus_sp(4)&image_id=6984

The adults she has were purchased as L144 from a long time breeder..
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PostSubject: Re: Calico/Marble L144?   Tue May 21, 2013 11:53 am

kaban a lot of people refer to these lemons as L144 even though they are not true L144.I didn't want to go into all the ins and outs of it and felt that it wasn't that much of a big deal.


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PostSubject: Re: Calico/Marble L144?   Tue May 21, 2013 1:50 pm

Buying some fry off this breeder should be here Tuesday next week. I'm super excited she sent me pics of the adults and they are gorgeous fish. She's selling the fry for only $10 each too which I'm very happy with considering I saw some 5-6cms at my lfs the other day for $100 haha.
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PostSubject: Re: Calico/Marble L144?   Sat May 25, 2013 1:19 am

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and sp(4) are also identical...

http://www.planetcatfish.com/common/image.php?species=ancistrus_sp(4)&image_id=6984

The adults she has were purchased as L144 from a long time breeder..
Identical? Hmm..
"L144 is rare. The fish sold as L144 is a different form, most likely based on Ancistrus cf. cirrhosus. This form resembling L144 can be found under as Ancistrus sp(4). The offspring of the only known import of this fish was line-bred to "fix" the colour form. All true L144 specimens are offspring from this single male."
That's apparently written by somebody, who knows a bit more than us. And Ingo Seidel -my prophet Wink - agrees.

I breed them too and if you want, I can sell them to you as L046, but it won't make them so.

Bristlenoses, lets all call Ancistrus sp. 'Great Dane' or 'an onion' from now on, at some point some mod will say it's not much of big deal. We'll be the crowd and it's never wrong. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Calico/Marble L144?   Sat May 25, 2013 1:40 am

Sorry was ment to write:
sp(4) are identical to my picture....

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PostSubject: Re: Calico/Marble L144?   Sat May 25, 2013 6:57 am

they are also known as lemon yellow, blue eyes, black eyes, A. sp. 'yellow' and sp(4)

the only known L144 was the original one that was found and from what iv read in my books they havnt been found since. Unless there is recent documentation on them that i dont know of. I dont consider myself an expert on bristlenoses and im only here to give advise on what i know, not what i dont know.

sp(4) have been called L144 for quite a while now and its quite hard to break the habit of 1000s of people who still do. kaban if your willing to do a big writeup explaining why they should be called sp(4) and not L144 id be happy to see to it becoming a sticky so all current and future members know not to call the yellow colour morph by the number L144

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PostSubject: Re: Calico/Marble L144?   Sat May 25, 2013 7:28 am

Ok. The writeup does not have to be big, here it is:
Ancistrus sp (4) shall be called Ancistrus sp (4) because it is Ancistrus sp (4) and it is not L144. L144 is. For the same reason Ancistrus sp (4) shall not be called L183, L200, L399 or chocolate snack bar.

Just an example: for many years many people had many different believes about shape of earth or solar system, or universe. Some were burning the others at the stake for it. And still, just because they were 1000s, it did not make them right.

Do I tend to exaggerate? Yes, I do. Laughing

But seriously, if even mods don't care, nomenclature will remain in mess, LFSs will keep selling different species under different names, and people will keep buying the fish without any info. How many ads have you seen, people giving away gibiceps for free because it'd outgrown their 10gal tank?

Is this forum not dedicated to Ancistrus sp? Of all, we should know better then.


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PostSubject: Re: Calico/Marble L144?   Sat May 25, 2013 8:00 am

hmmm nah too small

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PostSubject: Re: Calico/Marble L144?   Sat May 25, 2013 12:35 pm

Hi,do you know anyone who has any true L144's Kaban? Where did these lemon bristlenoses come from ? Also my job as a moderator is to moderate a forum and keep it clean,happy and friendly and to help out on what i know and I don't have to be an expert on everything to be a moderator.I decided that in this instant it wasn't a big deal and didn't need to go into the ins and outs of L144's,it doesn't mean that I think the whole L144 topic is not a big deal.The thing is,where are all the L144's ?

I think you are going a bit over the top.Whatever local stores decide to call them (and I doubt any store will call them L144's anyway) they are bristlenoses and all bristlenoses have very similar if not the same characteristics and care needs.I call mine lemon bristlenoses and if i sell any this is what i sell them as.

If you look on the link to sp (4) it actualy says that it's common name is L144.


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PostSubject: Re: Calico/Marble L144?   Sun May 26, 2013 2:42 am

Righto!

I'm going to come in here with a final gem of wisdom.

The argument between common names and proper names/scientific names is age old. As people who are enthused about the topic of bristlenose it is probably wise of us to be across both the sets of names. Most people on here know that there is a difference between the real L144 and the morph of the common bristlenose commonly called the L144. Most people however, would not know what the specific differences are. The real L144, depending on which source you listen too, is anywhere from non-existent to extremely rare. I know I have never seen one in the flesh.

There are people who take such issues seriously, others don't. Personally, I don't pay it too much time. It certainly pays to be abreast of the nomenclature but it is not needed. Is there going to be confusion, sure. That's just part of of the problem with running with two sets of names.

Finally, and i can't stress this enough. There are far more important things to worry about.

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