I'm a big fan of letting the male do the most work he can. My peps, for some reason, used to breed best when they were in my display tank. I used to have a big fry saver I put the cave, dad and bubs into. I left them all in there until they were well out of the cave to ensure they got a good feed of dad's poo before putting him and the cave back into the tank. That left the bubs in the saver.
I we not recommend taking eggs from dad, only reason to tumble eggs is if dad has kicked them
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