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PostSubject: Endlers - Poecilia wingei   Endlers - Poecilia wingei EmptySun Nov 29, 2009 8:17 pm

Poecilia wingei

Male Endler........
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Female Endler...
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Common Names: Endler's Livebearer

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Family: Poeciliidae

Category: Livebearers

Distribution: America - South; Venezuela

Main Ecosystem: Lake

Temperament: Timid; Endlers are very peaceful fish suited to any community or species tank. The only non-peaceful behavoir is the males constantly harrassing the females to breed; which is true of most livebearer species. Parents seldom eat their young as long as proper feeding is provided.

Diet: Ominvore; Ominvore

Care: Endlers prefer an algae based diet such as spirulina flakes. They will also accept most commercial flake foods and nibble on sinking wafers. Live foods are accepted well, but must sometimes be cut down in size to fit in the tiny endler's mouths. Endlers prefer a tank which is warmer than normal and is heavily planted. Strong water currents or movement should be avoided as they do not handle it well.

pH: 6.4 - 7.8

Temperature: 24°C - 30°C 75°F - 86°F

Hardness: 5 dH - 25 dH

Potential Size: Male: 1.9cm (0.7")
Female: 1.9cm (0.7")

Water Region: All

Activity: Diurnal

Gender: Males are very brightly colored while females only hold a metallic yellow/gold tint or silver tint. Males are also much smaller than the female and have a gonopodium.

Breeding: Endlers bear fry every 19 to 23 daysdepending upon water conditions. Breeding is easily achived just by having males and females within the same tank. IF in a community fry will need cover by artificial or real plants and/or decorations. Parents seldom eat fry, but some hybrid endlers (ie Endler-Guppy) do display the tendency to eat their fry. However usually with proper feeding this can be avoided.

Comments: This livebearer has only been confirmed in one location in the entire world and is feared extinct in the wild. Often thought of as just another guppy. They will hybridize with guppies and should be kept in a seperate tank as the offspring are fertile.

Main Colours: Various........

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PostSubject: Re: Endlers - Poecilia wingei   Endlers - Poecilia wingei EmptyWed Dec 02, 2009 9:22 pm

That's quite an interesting fact about them nearly being extinct in their natural habitat and the due to the fact of hybridisation : Mad I really don't like hybrids.
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Cheers for that it very helpful
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PostSubject: Re: Endlers - Poecilia wingei   Endlers - Poecilia wingei EmptyWed Dec 02, 2009 11:38 pm

just got rid of loads of black bar endlers breed like rats worse than bristlenose lol
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PostSubject: Re: Endlers - Poecilia wingei   Endlers - Poecilia wingei EmptyThu Dec 03, 2009 6:31 pm

deano wrote:
just got rid of loads of black bar endlers breed like rats worse than bristlenose lol

I must admit i keep them in my smaller tank and i really feel sorry for the female's...the male's are so persistant and have lituarally hounded one of the female's to death.......but if you want baby's fast and an interesting little fish then these are your best bet as they are really easy to look after...... Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Endlers - Poecilia wingei   Endlers - Poecilia wingei EmptyThu Dec 03, 2009 11:33 pm

i know curby i started off with ten 8 fems 2 males and got have give at least 150 away.
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PostSubject: Re: Endlers - Poecilia wingei   Endlers - Poecilia wingei EmptySat Dec 05, 2009 7:07 am

I think that the endlers have been found in 2 locations now. I have been keeping pure endlers now for 5 years, and they breed worse than rabbits. Mine are now decendants of wild stock so not only black bars in mine there is a large variation of colors.
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PostSubject: Re: Endlers - Poecilia wingei   Endlers - Poecilia wingei EmptySun Jan 17, 2010 9:54 am

:<a href=\'h i breed endlers for my local fish shop and i have to acknowledged their colours and the best thing about this fish is they are all diffrent, none the exact same patten or colour as the other. i love this fish because of it well defined colour and patten, also it is a vry easy fish to breed, put them in a tank and you got 15-20 fry each female. endlers have a good selling price in australia, only because of it beauty. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Endlers - Poecilia wingei   Endlers - Poecilia wingei EmptySun Jan 17, 2010 11:50 am

We breed the black bar, but we also have the blonde version too. They are less colourful, and more subtle than the black bars Smile



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:<a href=\'h i breed endlers for my local fish shop and i have to acknowledged their colours and the best thing about this fish is they are all diffrent, none the exact same patten or colour as the other. i love this fish because of it well defined colour and patten, also it is a vry easy fish to breed, put them in a tank and you got 15-20 fry each female. endlers have a good selling price in australia, only because of it beauty. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Endlers - Poecilia wingei   Endlers - Poecilia wingei EmptyMon Jan 18, 2010 2:23 am

i only have black bar, i dont think i've seen a blonde version, can you put some photos up of them. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Endlers - Poecilia wingei   Endlers - Poecilia wingei EmptyMon Jan 18, 2010 6:22 am

Here is some blonde endlers

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PostSubject: Re: Endlers - Poecilia wingei   Endlers - Poecilia wingei EmptyMon Jan 18, 2010 7:41 am

That's em Smile

Ours aren't as yellow though, unless it's the piccie lol
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PostSubject: Re: Endlers - Poecilia wingei   Endlers - Poecilia wingei EmptyMon Jan 18, 2010 7:48 am

Pic is a little yellow due to the light. but they are nice. Did have a tank full, now just 2 pregnant females as I had some power outage for a week and lots most of them. Due to to many in the tank.
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PostSubject: Re: Endlers - Poecilia wingei   Endlers - Poecilia wingei EmptyThu Jan 21, 2010 2:38 am

they are very nice, affraid that is why i like endlers so much. I'm going to go down to my local fish store and ask if they can order some in, i like them Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Endlers - Poecilia wingei   Endlers - Poecilia wingei EmptyMon Jan 25, 2010 2:02 am

my lfs (local fish shop) can't get them in and the one time they did they sold them 😢 , i'll keep looking. one day i'll have them in my tanks. cheers Very Happy cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Endlers - Poecilia wingei   Endlers - Poecilia wingei EmptyMon Jan 25, 2010 2:29 pm

i have some red chested endlers that are just starting to have fry nice and colourful fish worth keeping colin.
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PostSubject: Re: Endlers - Poecilia wingei   Endlers - Poecilia wingei EmptyTue Jan 26, 2010 9:55 pm

I have got some 'true' Endlers (not hybridised with guppies) and managed to some great colour variations. Here are some pics:

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Also, if you had the light at the side of the tank instead of the normal at the top of the tank then the male Endlers would swim on there side just so the light would catch there colours! The males are all about beauty and spend most of there time showing off!
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PostSubject: Re: Endlers - Poecilia wingei   Endlers - Poecilia wingei EmptyTue Jan 26, 2010 11:18 pm

Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news but those aren't pure endlers. I can tell by the way the colors don't pop out at you, the spotted tails and other things like the solid orangish color with one spot on the bottom. Those aren't traits of pure endlers.

Some of my first generation that was brought back from Venesuala by Adrian Hernandez and Armando Po

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PostSubject: Re: Endlers - Poecilia wingei   Endlers - Poecilia wingei EmptyWed Jan 27, 2010 6:32 pm

some cracking pics there to feast our eyes on.......

So what would you say happened then susan?? Hybid's?? Question

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PostSubject: Re: Endlers - Poecilia wingei   Endlers - Poecilia wingei EmptyWed Jan 27, 2010 8:46 pm

WOW they are special looking little fish (as far as little fish go Laughing ), even if Pleco Paul's fish are hybrids(I still dislike hybrids) he's got some great coloured little fish too.
Nice pix guys.
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PostSubject: Re: Endlers - Poecilia wingei   Endlers - Poecilia wingei EmptyThu Jan 28, 2010 3:07 am

Curby wrote:
some cracking pics there to feast our eyes on.......

So what would you say happened then susan?? Hybid's?? Question

Yes those of Pauls are hybrids, I would say somewhere back in the line there was a guppy added to the tank. And now are showing throwbacks which can happen a lot.

Several people that I have seen online will sell hybrids as pure if the coloring is right. But the hybrid will show itself down the line when least expected.
The hybrids can be beautiful in their own right. I have seen several I wouldn't mind owning myself if I had the extra tank space. But the sellers need to specify that the fish are hybrids and not pure.
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