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PostSubject: L144A and Albino BN   Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:29 am

What's the diff between L144A and ABN or are they the same?
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PostSubject: Re: L144A and Albino BN   Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:14 pm

I'm not sure if an L144A even exsists, I've seen it banded around on the net but suspect it could be wrong labeling as the fish are always different! Suspect Question
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PostSubject: Re: L144A and Albino BN   Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:42 pm

L144A is a new one to me, and I do try to keep up on what terms are being bandied about. I would guess it refers to an L144 that is also an albino. The only difference between that and a regular albino would be in breeding. An L144A would most likely produce L144 fry when bred back to L144. A regular albino bred to an L144 would produce brown most of the time.
Visually there would be no difference in the fish, both being yellow with red eyes. I would also be cautious of the term L144A, unless a reputable breeder of L144 was using it to describe albino fry from two L144 parents. I find most shop keepers play pretty fast and loose with terms and will use whatever they think will sell a fish for the most money. That being so, most of the time the "L144A" is just another albino.
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PostSubject: Re: L144A and Albino BN   Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:07 pm

Im with amber on this, as far as im concerned the L144 is fairly set and I have never heard of an L144A.

in terms of the difference between a normal L144 and an ABN the L144 had black or blue eyes while the ABN had red eyes.

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PostSubject: Re: L144A and Albino BN   Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:46 pm

I agree with those above, I think it's just people trying to cash in the popularity of the L144 and making out they are some kind of variation.

Here is another fish described as L144A HERE
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PostSubject: Re: L144A and Albino BN   Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:50 pm

Great, thx guys for the clarification.

"A regular albino bred to an L144 would produce brown most of the time."
So, we can breed L144 with regular ABN?
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PostSubject: Re: L144A and Albino BN   Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:41 am

Most L144 being sold today are just a color morph of the common aquarium strain BN, so, yes they can be bred to common BN of any color. I personally don't because we do not yet know enough about the genetics here to know if color crosses like this would increase mis-marks in the L-144 or not. There was at one time a species L144, and there may be a few of them left in Europe, so if you live there you may want to research the L-144 you own to avoid hybridization. If you live anywhere else you are pretty safe in the assumption that the L144 available are color morph common BN.
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PostSubject: Re: L144A and Albino BN   Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:19 am

again, Amber has it Smile

The L144 is very rare here in Aus and I would place money that they are all the colour morph, not the true L144.

This name is one of the big traps for people. A true L144 would be worth a butt load more than the common bristlenose L144 colour morph.

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PostSubject: Re: L144A and Albino BN   Sat Nov 20, 2010 12:40 am

Thx guys, I guess what we hv here in Sg are probably just color morph L144. Not sure if I really want to cross my L144 with ABN, cos I recently bought 3pcs 2", which I suspect I hv 2 female and 1 male.
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PostSubject: the blue or black eyed L144 pleco?   Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:21 am

my L144 from Gemma at Barnsley is over a year old now and coloured up really nice.
last time I posted pictures a few of you thought he had blue eyes, but as far as I know I think they are black... Smile

Think he needs a female to mate with to make him more happy.

I do have aquarist friends that whenever they see him in the aquarium keep asking if I will sell him.
My clear answer to that is No!.... lol...

He is just to nice to sell, I will try to take some more pictures of him for you as it's been a while since I posted some on here of him.

Some one from a local Aquarist Society mentioned that I should show him and make some cash on him now he is nearly fully mature.

Will let you decide along with me when I try to post some photographs of him later tomorrow.

As ever I hope he is a pure breed and since he is from a reputable source breeder then my hopes are high for him.

Wish Doug was closer as I would gladly pass some of my L144's over to him when they breed again...
Any thing to help a fellow pleco enthusiast out.

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PostSubject: Re: L144A and Albino BN   Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:56 am

I also have 3 l144 one should be male the other i do not know yet but smaller then the male. Hopefully I will breed them Wink

I bought them from EU. Eyes are black. How can i make sure these are the true l144??
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PostSubject: Re: L144A and Albino BN   Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:17 am

haha...I thought mine was blue eyed until I look at the pict I took, anyway, can someone tell me if that was a blue-eyed or black-eyed L144 in the pict I posted at '2011 bristlenoseworld calendar'. Even with a real pleco right in front of me, its still impossible for me to identify the color of the eye. Is that a female u see in the pict too? The male I suspected has longer bristle in the front of the snort whilst the female has shorter bristle evenly distributed. Am I right in this way of identification? I hv been trying w/o success to take a pict of the male, he's been hiding. Will attempt to take some pict of him.
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PostSubject: Re: L144A and Albino BN   Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:26 am

wolverine wrote:
my L144 from Gemma at Barnsley is over a year old now and coloured up really nice.
last time I posted pictures a few of you thought he had blue eyes, but as far as I know I think they are black... Smile

Think he needs a female to mate with to make him more happy.

I do have aquarist friends that whenever they see him in the aquarium keep asking if I will sell him.
My clear answer to that is No!.... lol...

He is just to nice to sell, I will try to take some more pictures of him for you as it's been a while since I posted some on here of him.

Some one from a local Aquarist Society mentioned that I should show him and make some cash on him now he is nearly fully mature.

Will let you decide along with me when I try to post some photographs of him later tomorrow.

As ever I hope he is a pure breed and since he is from a reputable source breeder then my hopes are high for him.

Wish Doug was closer as I would gladly pass some of my L144's over to him when they breed again...
Any thing to help a fellow pleco enthusiast out.

Regards

LJ


Yes..yes.., pls do show him.
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