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ktk05
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PostSubject: Deformo, the ABN   Deformo, the ABN EmptySun Aug 11, 2013 4:00 am

These are images of an ABN that I hatched about 4-5 months ago.  I lovingly call him Deformo.  Either this is a crazy genetic issue or its tail was broken at birth.  When the eggs hatched a couple of the babies got stuck on the grate in the output current of my HOB breeder trap.  They were stuck with their tails going through the grate and their faces in the current.  I was able to free them with a toothbrush.  I can't say for sure that this fish is one of them but it's possible.

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Doug
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PostSubject: Re: Deformo, the ABN   Deformo, the ABN EmptySun Aug 11, 2013 8:48 am

The kinked tail is a classic sign of inbreeding. If i ever saw this in one of my pairs i would stop breeding them that day and move to source a new breeder from a different bloodline.
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fishlady
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PostSubject: Re: Deformo, the ABN   Deformo, the ABN EmptySun Aug 11, 2013 10:14 am

doug is right but i have had 2 different spawns that had a bent tail now the pair were from 2 different places so the chance of inbreeding is near imposable imo
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ktk05
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PostSubject: Re: Deformo, the ABN   Deformo, the ABN EmptySun Aug 11, 2013 12:19 pm

I didn't know that, thanks for the info. The pair has bred 4 times with this being the only one with the kinked tail. the two fish were purchased ~1300 miles apart with at least a 5 year age gap between the two. I doubt they are related. If the two parent fish were inbred, but unrelated, is it possible to have the same kinked tail?
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PostSubject: Re: Deformo, the ABN   Deformo, the ABN EmptySun Aug 11, 2013 7:41 pm

with any inbreeding deformity are a risk
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PostSubject: Re: Deformo, the ABN   Deformo, the ABN EmptySun Aug 11, 2013 10:03 pm

Indeed, if a fishes parents were inbred then it means that it will be passing on those genetics. I am like you and source my breeders from far and wide (awesome work by the way!)

The reason i split them is that even if two fish are not related, they can still by chance end up with similar genes resulting in inbreeding like patterns, that is why i split them. In reality, what you are seeing is a random thing that has nothing to do with your breeders as you have done everything right. It was always easy for me to trade a breeder with someone so I would, just in case.
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