F1 Albino Bristlenoses (3/4 inch) - S.Wales Area

Have F1 Albino Bristlenose, they currently at 3/4 of an inch so abit small for going to new homes just yet (unless someone has a growing out tank to grow them on abit further) but just wondered if there was any interest. They hatched on 26th December 2008 just incase anyone wanted to know how old they were.

Currently feeding on algae wafers, cyclops, daphina and micro-granules and growing fast.

Looking for £1.30 each or i could do small groups for a discounted price.

Bristles2009 wrote:

Have F1 Albino Bristlenose, they currently at 3/4 of an inch so abit small for going to new homes just yet (unless someone has a growing out tank to grow them on abit further) but just wondered if there was any interest. They hatched on 26th December 2008 just incase anyone wanted to know how old they were.

Currently feeding on algae wafers, cyclops, daphina and micro-granules and growing fast.

Looking for £1.30 each or i could do small groups for a discounted price.

i would be interestid, i will have to see when iam in wales next....how many do you have??

It will be another month before there ready....at last count there was 94!!! but doesn't look 94 but they very good at hiding away!!!

Bristles2009 wrote:

It will be another month before there ready....at last count there was 94!!! but doesn't look 94 but they very good at hiding away!!!

keep me posted then please......as when they will be ready...

How many are you interested in as i will keep them by for you, as i've had a few people interested.

Bristles2009 wrote:

Have F1 Albino Bristlenose, they currently at 3/4 of an inch so abit small for going to new homes just yet (unless someone has a growing out tank to grow them on abit further) but just wondered if there was any interest. They hatched on 26th December 2008 just incase anyone wanted to know how old they were.

Currently feeding on algae wafers, cyclops, daphina and micro-granules and growing fast.

Looking for £1.30 each or i could do small groups for a discounted price.

Hiya

Just wondering how they can be F1 if they are albino's? I have never seen albino wilds, so this is something that really interests me

Angi-N-Wayne wrote:

Bristles2009 wrote:

Have F1 Albino Bristlenose, they currently at 3/4 of an inch so abit small for going to new homes just yet (unless someone has a growing out tank to grow them on abit further) but just wondered if there was any interest. They hatched on 26th December 2008 just incase anyone wanted to know how old they were.

Currently feeding on algae wafers, cyclops, daphina and micro-granules and growing fast.

Looking for £1.30 each or i could do small groups for a discounted price.

Hiya

Just wondering how they can be F1 if they are albino's? I have never seen albino wilds, so this is something that really interests me

good point ...

F1 generation being the first offspring from my unrelated trio, have i confused everyone?? i did genetics @ college and we talked about F1 generation and F2 generation.

Bristles2009 wrote:

F1 generation being the first offspring from my unrelated trio, have i confused everyone?? i did genetics @ college and we talked about F1 generation and F2 generation.

In the fish world, F1 is the offspring from wild parents, and F2 is their offspring. Therefore, the albino's you are selling are not infact F1's. Confusing if you did genetics at college, but that's why I questioned the F1 remark.

Cheers
Angi

The use F1 generation when we talked about small animals, i assumed that it applied to all animal/fish groups.

So i appoligise to all concerned.

Normal Albino Bristlenoses

Just hope the L144's don't drop babies on me otherwise i be stuck for space

hey bristles, if they are the babys from the females you had off me then they are F2 as the females and my adults are all wild caught,

"L Number mad wrote:

hey bristles, if they are the babys from the females you had off me then they are F2 as the females and my adults are all wild caught,

Wild Albinos? Never heard of 'em. They couldn't survive in the wild surely?

Now, I know that they are breeding fish in nets in the lakes and calling these wild, although obviously they aren't as they are bred from stock.

I can only go by what the original breeder/collector told he is a well known plec breeder around our neck of the woods and he asures me they are wild caught

from what i no, Wild caught in other words form river's and what not are classed as wild...and would there for be classed as F0...any offspring from an F0 would then be classed
as F1.....F1 comes from F0 parents...my L182 male and female are both wild caught from a river, and are F0....
If i spawn them the babies will be F1 Fry....They cannot be classed as Wild F1, as wild is F0..simple..
As for albino's surviving in the wild?? why not...if albino's are produced in tanks with two brown common's then who's to say they wont
breed in the wild like this?? and survive???

i agree curby, i to thought that the offspring are f1 but i put f2 so that she nows,

mine were wild caught in south america from a river where most other ancistrus species come from so i am now confused how they are not wildies?

"L Number mad wrote:

i agree curby, i to thought that the offspring are f1 but i put f2 so that she nows,

mine were wild caught in south america from a river where most other ancistrus species come from so i am now confused how they are not wildies?

if they have been wild caught from a river, then they are F0 wild caught,
if the fry was spawned in a tank by F0 parent's then the fry will be F1...BUT if the parents wernt F0 (not wild caught) then the fry wouldnt be F1..
to produce F1 Fry both parents have to be pure wild caught F0....
Thats why iam sure mine are taking ages to spawn as getting the condition's in my tank to the same as the river they are used to is quite hard..

totally agree mate

Ok i am totally confused!!

Ok the young that i am selling are indeed from the 2 females that i had from you "L Number Mad" so they do have wild blood in them somewhere along the line,

So F1 would be the 2 females yes?

F2 would be the offspring from F1??

I've started something now haven't i!!! runs to the nearest corner and hides

Bristles2009 wrote:

Ok i am totally confused!!

Ok the young that i am selling are indeed from the 2 females that i had from you "L Number Mad" so they do have wild blood in them somewhere along the line,

So F1 would be the 2 females yes?

F2 would be the offspring from F1??

I've started something now haven't i!!! runs to the nearest corner and hides

right bristle's if the 2 female's you got off L-Number are wild caught(not tank breed) and your male is also wild caught (not tank breed)
then the Fry can be sold as F1 Bristlenose, forget F2 for now...any wild caught plec will be classed as F0..
any fry from your F0 parent's will be classed as F1...
i no its confusing with the blood line thing and you think it would work that way but it doesnt, well not in fish terms...
is that any clearer???

Bristles2009 wrote:

Ok i am totally confused!!

Ok the young that i am selling are indeed from the 2 females that i had from you "L Number Mad" so they do have wild blood in them somewhere along the line,

So F1 would be the 2 females yes?

F2 would be the offspring from F1??

I've started something now haven't i!!! runs to the nearest corner and hides

Don't run and hide

I'm finding this very interesting.

I know that there can be albino's in any kind of living thing on the planet, but they tend not to survive in the wild as they are to easily spotted and cannot camoflauge as their normal coloured family.

Unfortunately there are a lot of people out there that claim that their fish are wild caught, F1 etc, but without proof we can only take their word for it. We had some wild L052's and also some peru gold-stripe corydoras. We know that they were wild as we got them direct from the importer. Although again, as we didn't see them in their natural environment we can't be 100% sure. However, the young from the corys are not shy, unlike the parents who were very sensitive.

Angi-N-Wayne wrote:

Bristles2009 wrote:

Ok i am totally confused!!

Ok the young that i am selling are indeed from the 2 females that i had from you "L Number Mad" so they do have wild blood in them somewhere along the line,

So F1 would be the 2 females yes?

F2 would be the offspring from F1??

I've started something now haven't i!!! runs to the nearest corner and hides

Don't run and hide

I'm finding this very interesting.

I know that there can be albino's in any kind of living thing on the planet, but they tend not to survive in the wild as they are to easily spotted and cannot camoflauge as their normal coloured family.

Unfortunately there are a lot of people out there that claim that their fish are wild caught, F1 etc, but without proof we can only take their word for it. We had some wild L052's and also some peru gold-stripe corydoras. We know that they were wild as we got them direct from the importer. Although again, as we didn't see them in their natural environment we can't be 100% sure. However, the young from the corys are not shy, unlike the parents who were very sensitive.

yes they have a 50/50 chance of surviving in the wild, as like you said they are easily spotted plus, they are somtimes classed as the runt of the litter and sometimes are born blind
and have other probz to so this is a facter...but i do think they could survive if they can get to full maturity and then can defend themselves better....
Lets just get 1 thing cleared up F1 does not mean wild....F0 is wild..F2 is the offspring of F1...F2 is tank breed....
My L182 are 100% wild caught as i watched them being delivered to Pier Aquatics, freshly imported...
my male is very timid and virtually hate's light...i will not see him during the day atol...

Ok am going to make even more interesting now...lol

my male not sure if he is wild or tank bred as i obtained him from a guy in gloucester about 18months ago, so am just assuming hes tank bred.

females i got off "L number Mad" are hmmmmmmm don't know...lol

some of my youngsters are plain albino and some have patterned markings so that makes it even more interesting!!

already sold 20 so far still got loads left..lol

am worn out with the genetic stuff lol i must really thick or stupid OR maybe both...lol maybe thats why i ended up a PASS for breeding module!!

Bristles2009 wrote:

Ok am going to make even more interesting now...lol

my male not sure if he is wild or tank bred as i obtained him from a guy in gloucester about 18months ago, so am just assuming hes tank bred.

females i got off "L number Mad" are hmmmmmmm don't know...lol

some of my youngsters are plain albino and some have patterned markings so that makes it even more interesting!!

already sold 20 so far still got loads left..lol

am worn out with the genetic stuff lol i must really thick or stupid OR maybe both...lol maybe thats why i ended up a PASS for breeding module!!

lol your not thick nor stupid.....anyways lets stick to the origanal thread...

Albino Bristlenose plecs FOR SALE...

Curby wrote:

Bristles2009 wrote:

Ok am going to make even more interesting now...lol

my male not sure if he is wild or tank bred as i obtained him from a guy in gloucester about 18months ago, so am just assuming hes tank bred.

females i got off "L number Mad" are hmmmmmmm don't know...lol

some of my youngsters are plain albino and some have patterned markings so that makes it even more interesting!!

already sold 20 so far still got loads left..lol

am worn out with the genetic stuff lol i must really thick or stupid OR maybe both...lol maybe thats why i ended up a PASS for breeding module!!

lol your not thick nor stupid.....anyways lets stick to the origanal thread...

Albino Bristlenose plecs FOR SALE...

I'll second what Curby said .................. I'll learn to be quiet next time lolol

it will finally click and you will understand it can take a while it is confusing