L201 & L134

Hello to all,


I wonder whether is there a possibility that L201 and L134 are kept in the same aquarium.
I want to avoid cross-breeds, but do not know if the above mentioned darlings could or couldn't.

Best regards,
Mary

P. S.: Thanks to this Website and the books (Doug's and that of Kathy Jinkings) I got soooo much deeper into bristleworld!

I'm pretty sure they can't cross breed so mite be alright. Be warey tho as iv heard males from either can be very territorial

Hi Kfenk,


How big aquarium would you recommend?

I have ordered 1M/2F L134 and 1M/1F L201.
There are two choices: 100 or 400 litre.

Or, if I wish to keep them separately, would two 83 litre tanks do?

Best regards,
Mary

id go with the 2 tanks rather than the one tank for breeding only. but if you went with the 400L tank you could have lots more fish with them like tetras or livebearers

As far as I know Hypancistrus and Peckoltia can not cross breed.

I agree with kfenk if it is a breeding project then seperate tanks would be better, if you got them for their stunning looks, with the off chance they will breed, then I would go with the 400 litre. Plenty of hiding places should stop any serious aggression.

Dear Kfenk and Jim,


Thanks a lot for your reply.
I will follow your advice, and will put them into separate tanks.

Actually, I want to try my hands on breeding them.

Best regards,
Mary

mmccannon wrote:

Dear Kfenk and Jim,


Actually, I want to try my hands on breeding them.

I hope you have good luck with the breeding

i used to keep L201 and L333 in the same tank.

but yeah, for breeding i would seperate them

Hello Doug,


Thank you for your response.
I will place them in separate tanks.

By the way, have read your ebook, but could not find one disease. In Hungary that is referred to as "Green Belly".
Occures around 2-4 months of age, and mortality rate is almost 100 %.

I was trying to find more information - literature, scientific article - about this disease, but in vain.
I wonder whether you have any experience with the above mentioned illness.

Best regards,
Mary

what are the symptoms?

Symptom is literally green belly - as if discoloured - and within 48 hours the fish is dead. No other visible symptom and no significant change in behaviour. One can only detect, once the fish is on the side-glass of the tank.

It occured in case of A. temminckii, L-144, LDA-05, L-65. Other mates reported the same from Czech and Germany.
Unfortunately, I did not make a photo of the fish at that time.

hrmm, never come acorss that one before. I would be interested to know more about it.

Hi Doug,


Forgot to mention, that when deceased bn's belly is opened, thick green juice pours out. As if all intestinals rotted away.
Stench is not like rotting flesh.

A year ago I have made a survey, and found that many aquarist prepare their own frozen BN-mix. Springtime they often add tender stinging-nettle and/or spurge leaf.
Is it possible that any of those are related to the illness?

Have you heard of such thing in other parts of the world?

Best regards,
Mary

hrmmm, that is odd. I have never heard of something like this before. I have done several post mortums on bristlenose but never had a result like that. To be honest i would be avoiding nettle like the plague. It is known to be toxic to lots of animals and very hard to process.

Spurge leaves do not sound like a good idea either.

From Wikipedia

The common name "spurge" derives from the Middle English/Old French espurge ("to purge"), due to the use of the plant's sap as a purgative.

From THE POISON GARDEN website
Folklore and Facts
Is said to kill fish without making the flesh inedible to humans. Throw any spurge into water and harvest the poisoned fish. It has been known to self seed in gardens and, in one case, it grew close to a pond resulting in the death of all the fish.

Spurge leaf = Taraxacum Officinale
Stinging-nettle = Urtica dioica

So these are things to be avoided?
What is the chemical/poison that causes the problem?

Not sure if would effect fish but personally I'd steer clear of any plants with stinging in the name. We have stinging nettles here in aus and they are such a pain :|

Thats the problem with common names, Taraxacum officinale is the common dandelion, but spurge is often a common name for members of the Euphorbia family.

The only problem I can see with Dandelion is that it is often used a as diuretic.

Dear Kfenk and Jim,


I also felt that common names are misleading, so have posted the scientific names.

Understand the disadvantage of Taraxacum officinale, but what about Urtica dioica? That is widely used herb, at least over here.

I found an article about the use of Urtica dioica to prevent Aeromonas hydrophila infection in rainbow trout, so it must have some anti bacterial qualities HERE.

My only concern is when collecting plants from the wild you do not know if they have been exposed to any chemicals. Roadside plants usually contain high levels of harmful chemicals.

Hello Jim,


I never collect herbs or even wood for my BNs from areas, which are subject to heavy traffic, or any chemical pollution.

I like rambling, so I rather visit one of many natural parks we have and collect what I need there.
No chemicals, no cars. In natural waters over there even Daphnia and Cyclops are more healthier and bigger.

Yes, Urtica dioica has antiseptic character, and many other good qualities.
I believe that the quantity should be watched very carefuly when given in veggie mix to our BNs. Don't you think so?

Best regards,
Mary

got me stumped why it only happens in your country. maybe it could have something to do with local water or some other disease indigenous to your local fish. anyways wasnt this thread about you wanting to breed L201 and L134? Whats going on with that? Are you still aiming to breed them?

Not just in Hungary, but in Slovakia, Czech, Poland, Germany, as well. At least I know cases from those countries.

Sure I want to breed them!
There will be TerraPlaza (aquarist and terrarist gathering) on the 16th October.
I have ordered all fishes, so tanks are already up and running waiting for my darlings.

I am so excited! Not just because of the fishes, but I will hold my very first lecture on "Live food cultures".
Maybe I will drop dead in front of soooo many people.

I'm back, the fair is over and I have purchased my very own L134s!


Unfortunately, there were no L201s, so the 92 litre tank is occupied by the L-134 juveniles (~ 3 cm big/small).
Lots of mangrove wood is in the tank, so I am still seeking every oportunity to get some company for my darlings.

How many did you get and any pics yet

L134 or Leopard Frog Peckoltia are great looking fish and they seem to get better with age. Shame about the L201's but if I had a choice it would be the L134's.