The true L183 "Dolichopterus"

High guys found this while googling yesterday, I hope it's OK to post it as it is a planetcatfish article( remove it if you want BOSS)
J
http://www.planetcatfish.com/shanesworld/shanesworld.php?article_id=380

Nice forgot about this read it myself a while ago before joined this forum
So interesting info on there

I have also read this before a while back i wanted some L183s but gave up couldnt find them any where then when i stocked my tanks they got loads in at pier i was a bit gutted to say the least

its a good read well worth a look at

Take a look Curby look for the big fish
J

Pepps dont grow that size lol.......

They have so many differant pics on there and they all look different...its hard to no what to believe....

There is a breeder in middleborough called steve very well known in the bristlenose industry in fact he's selling super reds now...but he used to have L182's...and iam sure he would also clear this up...

I dont no why you refer to PC because they havent been updated for donkey years...
And i also find most info on there as very mis-leading...as they say pepps only grow to 4 inch but yet display a picture clearly of an L182.....after if PC say pepps only grow to 4 inch or so how come that pic is of a fish at least 10inch??? misleading or what...lets just say i wont be trusting them with my house..

Well if "planetcatfish " is so out of date and you disagree with the article - remove it.
J

Curby wrote:

Pepps dont grow that size lol.......

They have so many differant pics on there and they all look different...its hard to no what to believe....

There is a breeder in middleborough called steve very well known in the bristlenose industry in fact he's selling super reds now...but he used to have L182's...and iam sure he would also clear this up...

I dont no why you refer to PC because they havent been updated for donkey years...
And i also find most info on there as very mis-leading...as they say pepps only grow to 4 inch but yet display a picture clearly of an L182.....after if PC say pepps only grow to 4 inch or so how come that pic is of a fish at least 10inch??? misleading or what...lets just say i wont be trusting them with my house..

Some pepps are small ie 4 inch and some are 6 inch, 8 inch +
L181 are circ 6 inch and L183 are massive at circ 10 inch and I believe 182's are similar

Prob is there are over a dozen pepps

I find the back to nature book the most accurate but i must admit PC can be wrong but majority is correct, problem with PC is no real control on what's posted imho

I think the main problem is not enough info on all pepp species..
Ive spent alot of my time reading up on pepp species like 181's 182's and 183's...all three are very much alike thats why they are in order of L-numbers...ive read more info on what i believe than not ...but this doesnt mean iam completeley ignorant to all claims..like i said i agree and disagree..

And J the article is a great read mate and why would i want to remove it?? After all we have to disagree to agree now and again...

cheers...

Ok guys had a nice chat with the guys at Pier today regarding these little beauties and I was advised that unless you keep them in RO water forget it. The TDS, PH etc needs to be correct otherwise they will not like it and will eventually die.

Some of you may be aware of the problems Pier had a few years back when there was a meet at Pier and loads of people bought them only to find them die within a week or two. However, I am also aware a couple of others bought at the same time and had no problems.

I read lots about this before I first went to Pier and tbh it did tarnish their reputation to the point that I wondered if it was a shop I could trust. But how wrong I was. The guys at Pier are fantastic and I've never had a problem with any fish purchased there.

So when Neil tells me unless I change my water from HMA to RO please do not keep L183's I am inclined accept his request.

Anyway make of it what you will but I've done some research on the net and it does seem to the case.

Pier have lots of these for sale at £18.50 each, a mixture of Males and Females so if you are currently wanting them you know where to get them from, but be warned you need the correct water to keep them.

Thanx for sharing that tid-bit of advice Jagtazman it's exactly what we need
J

Curby wrote:

Pepps dont grow that size lol.......

They have so many differant pics on there and they all look different...its hard to no what to believe....

There is a breeder in middleborough called steve very well known in the bristlenose industry in fact he's selling super reds now...but he used to have L182's...and iam sure he would also clear this up...

I dont no why you refer to PC because they havent been updated for donkey years...
And i also find most info on there as very mis-leading...as they say pepps only grow to 4 inch but yet display a picture clearly of an L182.....after if PC say pepps only grow to 4 inch or so how come that pic is of a fish at least 10inch??? misleading or what...lets just say i wont be trusting them with my house..

There is a breeder in middleborough called steve very well known in the bristlenose industry in fact he's selling super reds now...but he used to have L182's...and iam sure he would also clear this up...

wouldnt trust a word he says after what he did with me as for the super reds he can keep them

in the back to nature book its says to keep them in soft acid water and a ph 4 to 6 its not something i would want to keep to be honest as they grow too big

Deano,

Are you saying you don't trust Steve in middlesborough?

TBH I am wary of him as he promised me some supers, I arranged to meet with him, rang him to confirm a few days later and was told sorry all sold, was not at all happy.

any local fish store that imports from germany can now get you these go down that road mate i will say the reds i got from steve have gone i also got some long fins off him a week later and he deliverd them himself if id not been at work he would have had a waisted trip NEVER AGAIN

Jagz great info mate......well worth knowing...

And just wait till i see neil he never told me that lol....

p.s i will PM neil about the 59's later....

and i cannot quote on steve ive invited him here loadsa time's and he signed up but never posted...
for a bristlenose breeder i thought this would be the first place he would share his info...ah well how wrong i was...

deano wrote:

any local fish store that imports from germany can now get you these go down that road mate i will say the reds i got from steve have gone i also got some long fins off him a week later and he deliverd them himself if id not been at work he would have had a waisted trip NEVER AGAIN

fair comment
Not interested in the Reds tbh, I'll let you and a few others work with them

I was one of many who bought some 183,s when the first batch came in and never had a problem. I even sent windy back to wigan to buy some more . Mine went on to breed in RO/HMA TDS of 100 and PH as low as 5.8. The water was thick with tannins. They come from blackwaters so felt right at home. They arent easy to breed IMO

Cheers

thegeeman

HI GEE CAN YOU GIVE SOME INFO HOW YOU GOT THE 183 TO BREED AND WHAT SORT OF SET UP YOU HAD,THANKS BENGA

The first pair I had were from Pier and wild caught. I really struggled to get them to spawn and IMO are better suited to a their own tank if your thinking about breeding them.
I had them in a 2ft tank with one cave lots of bogwood. The bogwood gave it that blackwater look which I believe is where they come from. I also added blackwater extract over a period of few weeks, This almost resulted in a ph crash as I am also using RO/HMA as well. I decided to do a 50% water change to get the ph back up abit and the cool water change seemed to trigger them off. The fry were easy to raise. I have just spawned my second pair and I did nothing to these at all in the way of triggering them so who really knows :|

Good luck with them

Cheers

thegeeman

cheers for the info gee very usefull....

What size were yours when they bred? And what ratio of males did you have to females?

Thanks
Sean

The first pair were 4"TL and the new pair a little smaller. I only keep pairs as it seems that when they become conditioned to spawn they also become aggressive, more so the females.

Do you have some Sean?

Cheers

thegeeman

Hi Gee,

That's great thanks.
Yes, i got a male and 3 females from Pier a few weeks ago. They're in a 180l with just a few cories and plenty of bogwood and decent hiding places.
Would you suggest taking 2 of the females out then?

Thanks
Sean

Sean1 wrote:

Would you suggest taking 2 of the females out then?

Thats a good question, I would keep a sharp eye on them and at the first sign of fighting I would remove 2 females

Goodluck

thegeeman

Well, i'll keep a close eye on them. I may have to take them out at the end of May, as i'll be on my honeymoon for a couple of weeks. Then there's no chance of any scrapping while i'm away.

Cheers
Sean