Crosses - interbreeding Bristlenose UPDATED

KYANGELSNCORYS wrote:

im fixin to cross a long fin albino female with a super red short fin male, has anyone made this cross before ? im wondering what the fry will look like

I have dont this somewhat I just bred calico to albino then bred that offspring to a super red . The males from that cross started breeding for me last night The male is sitting on 2 or 3 clutches he got a 50 % chance of carring the albino gene. I know the for sure 2 out of 3 of my females that breed for me like clock work carry the albino gene. . I also will be crossing the fry that are off my calicos that produce albinos to super reds and any fry that are albino from my LF males that are albino

Does anyone have any idea how to L144 gene works. I've been doing some research and people are saying if you cross a L144 with a common or albino you get 100% common fry. This leads me to think that the L144 trait is recessive. Am I wrong in thinking this?

CountBryce wrote:

Does anyone have any idea how to L144 gene works. I've been doing some research and people are saying if you cross a L144 with a common or albino you get 100% common fry. This leads me to think that the L144 trait is recessive. Am I wrong in thinking this?

The original L144 was a wild caught Leucistic fish . They crossed that fish to the common BNP. The term L 144 is really incorrect as there is much controversy over the purity of the common BNP. The origin of them is uncertain some say they are hybrids. The hobby needs to address the blue eyed morph as a Leucistic and not as a L 144

I recently spawned my L144 albino blue eye male, with a regular red eye albino female and all they 125 fry came out a super light, golden brown, with bright yellow spots. They are now a couple months old and a little over an inch, and I have never seen any bristlenose the color of these! It was on total accident too! They are brown, but so light that they almost look like a dirty albino, and the yellow spots are super bright, almost orange, and have brown eyes.
I have a long fin albino male, short fin albino female, brown short fin female trio that spawn every 3weeks almost to the day. The trio are about two years old and both females always spawn at the same time, every time, and the batch is different every time. The last batch ended up all LF and SF albino. The batch before that was a mix of albino and brown but all short fin. The batch before that was a mix of LF and SF brown, and albino short fin. Then sometimes I get a mix of LF and SF albino and LF and SF.
So may take from experience, and being totally ignorant to the subject, is that who cares! I have fun mixing up my pairs to see what happens! I always spawn my super reds together, but just made them a trio with the addition of a extra green dragon female I have to see what happens. I also moved an albino female in with my green dragon pair to see what happens! I will post results when I get them.

I have friend who breeding high quality bristlenose on aquabid, he has some Pure german Super red strain (was one of the first to import them from Germany to the USA, a very deep red, unlike what is commonly circulating right now), he then bred  Pure german super reds with a albino longfin and got all commons.
I have also heard that calico/marble with albino gives all commons.
i have heard, but not sure that Super red x calico gives a super red calico

SO i too believe that the super red line came from selectively breed marbles for reduced marbling

If the super red did come from a type 2 albino, super red x albino should give albino, but the outcome is the same as a calico/marble x albino.

EVERYTHING above is under the ASSUMPTION that the traits above are mendelian traits!!!!

LASTLY I believe (purely speculation) that the marble/calico trait might be a QUALITATIVE TRAIT meaning MANY genes effect the marble/calico color morph NOT like the other colors. Maybe this is why the calico pattern isn't consistent, meaning some calico has more black than others. PLUS if the genes are RECESSIVE then two pairs of the gene are needed.

If super reds do come from calicos then, SUPER REDS must be a form of a "SUPER" RECESSSIVE QUALITATIVE TRAIT. this means that in order to get a pure super red, the pleco must have all the necessary genes, but having many of the same genes means that the pleco might be more sensitive to disease, due to a lack of Genetic diversity. I have heard that Super reds grow slower than the other color morphs but am not sure?

For those who have SUPER RED, are they slightly if not more sensitive to illness or grow slower?

Okay so I just this evening had the first batch of my female "L144" crossed with common male, they are so tiny i wojldnt like to say for sure but 1 or 2 look like they may be calico, I dont know, we shall see, how are Calico formed anyone know ?

There is a bit of discussion on that. Some say it is from the common line, selectively bred to enhance the red/orange colour while others suggest it is a natural colour morph.

Oh haha my bad i thought calico where gold / brown, am colour blind so thats why haha, well most of the fry look like common but the odd few are palrr or seem to have gold patches but untill thry grow an inch guess we shall not know, I'll get some photos soon